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Charles Rahl
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« on: November 05, 2009, 02:31:15 PM »

Ok so I just bought the first book of wheel of time, I've heard some decent things. But how would all you "who have read some of the books" compare it to SOT? Like is it good in comparison how Goodkind lets you feel really connected to the characters.
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« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2009, 04:20:07 PM »

I am 100 pages from finishing the new book and I think they are great.  You don't get near as much of a feel for the individual characters as you do with SOT, but the overall story arc seems to be much more developed.  I would reccommend the books so I say go ahead and start reading.
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« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2009, 05:32:07 PM »

one thing you'll have to remember about Robert Jordan is that his writing is a little more formal in a sense compared to Goodkind's but once you get into it... its really quite good Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2009, 10:58:26 PM »

I've written about Mr Jordan's series often here, but I'll give you the Coles' notes version of it here  Wink

First of all, generally speaking his first 6 or so books are excellent. I'd put them up there with the first six books of SOT easily. However, like SOT there is steady a decline after that. The 9th and 10th books in particular are, by themselves, really quite poor for reasons I will explain further along. The 11th book picks it up again, and I havent had a chance to read the latest book though I hope to soon.

As a basic comparison of what makes each series good, SOT has a good overarching plot (Orden, Imperial Order) with excellent characters throughout. At times, like Pillars of Creation and Naked Empire, the plot of those specific books are not what they were for the rest of the series.

Wheel of Time, meanwhile, also has a decent overarching plot. However, the best aspect of the series is, in my mind, its 'mythology'. By that I mean, its magical system, the world Jordan has created with its history, its cultures, its creatures, and so on. Goodkind's mythology is good, but its not near on the epic scale that Jordan built. Jordan would rival Tolkien in his world building, but Tolkien is still in my mind the best in that regard since Jordan borrows some of the same concepts. Jordan's characters, meanwhile, are generally compelling but not nearly on the level as Goodkind's. Many of the characters are at times repetetive and downright annoying.

What really hurts the later books for Jordan is that he simply creates and follows too many story lines at once. I am not exaggerating when I say that in the 9th and 10th books he is following at least 4 or even 5 MAJOR plot lines, and within those plot lines maybe a few sub-plot lines each, and within those sub-plots a few POV’s each. So by themselves, books 9, 10 and 11 have almost nothing happening. Each major plot line gets its part of the book, and with all the POVs and sub plot lines you have maybe 4-5 chapters each. So nothing really of significance happens.

Now, if you group books 9 to 11 together as a single entity, you would have a compelling single-story narrative in that the span of those three books combined contains the main cycle of the major plot lines I mentioned above and all are building towards what is supposed to be the finale plot of the whole series: the Last Battle between the good guys and the Dark One. What makes the books more frustrating individually is that without there being any real plot advancement, or at least extremely SLOW advancement, all you have to make the books enjoyable are the characters. And like I said above, the characters have been around long enough by then that some of them have their tendencies exposed as annoying, uncreative and repetitive. You won’t really see it in the first half of the series, maybe because at that point there aren’t as many splits in the storylines and they’re still new, but you’ll sure see it by the 9th book.

All of this said, Wheel of Time is still one of my favourite fantasy series out there. I’d put it behind only Sword of Truth and then not by much.
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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2009, 08:42:18 AM »

Ok well sweet. Thanks for the input yall
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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2009, 03:05:45 PM »

I've read The Gathering Storm and I'll tell you that it endeared me more towards Rand's character then any of the other books. You can tell the scenes that Rj wrote and what Brandon wrote, not really in any certain why other then the flow of words. I waited for 4 yrs to read that book and was NOT disappointed in the least.

If you are ready to commit the next year of your life to being a full blow nerd, then by all means start Eye of the World. Because we still have 2 more books that will complete the series, so if you can read slow.
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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2009, 04:09:27 PM »

I still havent read it yet dammit! (The gather storm), and my family is making we wait to get it for my birthday rather than just buying it now  Angry
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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2009, 10:12:17 PM »

I started Eye of the World halfway through July and finished Gathering Storm yesterday. I was very pleased with how well Sanderson did with picking up the story.  Hopefully the last two parts are just as good and also bring some good closure to the series.
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« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2009, 12:17:41 PM »

I was very pleased with AgS and i think we all know how picky and critical "I" can be..... Grin
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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2009, 06:24:30 PM »

I was very pleased with AgS and i think we all know how picky and critical "I" can be..... Grin
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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2009, 07:54:50 AM »

So I am halfway thru EOTW and its pretty legit most definentley worth reading the whole series. But does it seem like alot like LOTR Fellowship. I mean farmboys/Hobbits that have to run away from Trollocs/Whatever the dudes in black on horses. All because of an Aeis Sedai/Gandalf, but with the protection of a Warder/Ranger..  And like all the trouble with bad guys showing up in the inn and they have to run. Even the part where they run and jump onto the boat to escape the bad guys. It just seems to be really tied to LOTR kinda like Eragon compared to Star Wars. Regardless I think the book is awesome so far and I'm looking forward to finishing it.
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« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2009, 10:36:56 AM »

It starts to change don't worry he didn't rip off Tolkien that much, altho, ripping off Tolkien usually leads to some damn good books.
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« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2009, 03:08:11 AM »

With regards to characters there really isn't a comparison.  Robert Jordan's strengths lie in world building which he is excellent at.   Don't read his books expecting Richard, Kahlan, Cara, Nicci, Denna, Zedd.  You won't find them in there.  Even the villians are rather lackluster when compared to Jagang the sisters of the dark.
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« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2010, 02:34:30 PM »

I've read the entire Wheel of Time series, and I liked it, but found it slightly difficult to get through. Like others have said before me, the world he creates is brilliant, but he spends a great deal of time explaining it. I'm not sure I need 4 pages describing the texture of someone's dress. However, if you can get past the "world fluff" its very good. It took me a long time to get through, and I didn't feel the same ardor as I did when reading SoT. I couldn't put SoT down, but I struggled to get through WoT. The female characters never cease to infuriate me with their sniffing. Still good, though. Its my second favorite series.
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« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2010, 05:30:02 PM »

im half way throught the great hunt, hope i'll read the entire series *fingers crossed*
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